What ‘private transcript’ REALLY said about Gladys Berejiklian and her ex-lover ‘dodgy’ Daryl Maguire: ICAC reveals what secret hearing was about – with former MP saying they were ‘close’ YEARS before Gladys said
- Daryl Maguire corruption inquiry released transcript of part of ‘private hearing’
- Private hearing delved into Gladys Berejiklian and former MP’s relationship
- Maguire told inquiry the couple’s relationship could have started in 2013 or 2014
- The ICAC accidentally published the full transcript online on Thursday evening
The corruption inquiry investigating Gladys Berejiklian’s ex-lover Daryl Maguire has released part of the transcript of a private hearing about their relationship – 24 hours after accidentally publishing it online.
The ICAC released the extract about the NSW Premier’s relationship with the former Wagga Wagga MP to the public on Friday evening.
The transcript reveals Maguire told the inquiry on Thursday that they could be said to have a ‘close personal relationship’ in 2013 – two years earlier than first thought.
But Maguire later clarified their relationship was ‘very’ close in 2015, as opposed to just ‘close’.
Berejiklian had told the inquiry their relationship began ‘slightly after or thereabouts’ the 2015 state election on Monday.
Several pages of a private transcript about Daryl Maguire’s relationship with NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian have been released for public consumption – 24 hours after they were accidentally published online
According to the transcript released on Friday afternoon, counsel assisting ICAC Scott Robertson asked Maguire to reflect on ‘whether the close personal relationship you had with Ms Berejiklian had in fact started in 2015 or 2016 or whether it in fact at least started at some earlier point in time.’
The lawyer said while he accepted these ‘kinds of things develop over time’, he asked Maguire if it was ‘at least possible a close personal relationship … between you and Ms Berejiklian may in fact have been on foot at some time prior to 2015?’
‘Yes,’ Maguire said.
Asked when he thought the relationship developed into a close personal relationship, Maguire said: ‘Oh, I don’t know that I could put a date on it. We, we were always good friends and slowly over time the, the relationship developed.
‘I, I couldn’t tell you when it started.’
Mr Robertson said he couldn’t suggest there was some ‘magic date’ that the relationship began, but asked if they could have been in a ‘close personal relationship’ in 2014.
‘Yes,’ Maguire said.
‘What about 2013?’ Robertson asked.
‘Yes,’ Maguire said.
In follow up questioning on Friday, Maguire said: ‘(2014) was clearer in my mind. ’14/15.’
Grilled if it was right to say he was in a relationship with Berejiklian in 2014, he said: ‘I originally said ’15 and I lean towards ’15 still, or late ’14.
The transcript reveals Maguire told the inquiry on Thursday that they could be said to have a ‘close personal relationship’ in 2013 – two years earlier than first thought. Pictured: Maguire arrives at the Independent Commission Against Corruption (ICAC) hearing in Sydney on Friday
‘That was, that’s my recollection, somewhere there.’
Under further questioning about whether it could be said they were in a relationship in 2014, Maguire added: ‘I couldn’t describe it as, as that, as I could more in ’15.
‘But we had a relationship in ’14, but I would call a very close personal relationship definitely developed into ’15.’
Pressed further, Maguire said: ‘Well, I, I just can’t be clear. I really don’t have a firm recollection of, of the date you’re, that you’re asking.
‘But somewhere in there, our close, personal relationship began’.
The transcript emerged following Maguire’s third and likely final day of evidence.
The former Wagga Wagga MP on Friday admitted to speaking in ‘code words’ to the Premier about his business dealings and told how he ‘accidentally’ lost a USB stick near his farm gate, where it was destroyed.
The week’s hearing concluded with Maguire admitting he had breached the public’s trust and used parliamentary resources for his own benefit.
Code words: ‘Little friend with a polished head’
Maguire today told the inquiry he ‘can’t recall’ why he spoke in ‘code words’ to the NSW Premier in tapped phone calls.
The former MP was grilled about a phone call to his secret flame where he referred to his ‘little friend’ with ‘the polished head’.
During the call, Maguire asked Bereijiklian if she knew who he meant.
‘Not really. I don’t need to know,’ the Liberal leader replied.
Under pressure by counsel assisting ICAC Scott Robertson, Maguire today admitted he was using that phrase to speak of his property developer mate Joseph Alha.
The inquiry has heard Alha and Maguire had ‘dropped in’ for a quick meeting with the Premier after several glasses of red wine in his parliamentary office on November 15, 2017.
‘My little polished head friend’: Daryl Maguire referred to property developer Joe Alha by a codename while speaking to NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian
Alha (left and right) apparently had no idea he was being trailed and covertly photographed by ICAC investigators when he met with Maguire and Berejiklian at Parliament House
Counsel assisting ICAC Scott Robertson asked: ‘Why are you using code in that call, in the sense of not referring to Joe, or Mr Alha?’
‘I don’t know – I don’t recall,’ Maguire said.
‘Why did you say you were meeting your friend with a’ polished head’ but you ‘don’t need to know what for?”
Maguire said the reason was to ‘keep information from her’ and to only tell the Premier information ‘on a need to know basis’.
Pressed why he would do that, Maguire said: ‘I don’t want to burden her with any details she didn’t need to know.’
Robertson: ‘You were concerned some of what you were doing could reflect badly on her?’
‘It could,’ Maguire admitted.
USB stick ‘lost’ at farm gate
Maguire also admitted ‘losing’ a USB stick containing data from his devices in 2018, the year he was sacked from his parliamentary position.
‘I dropped it at the farm gate and it got run over several times,’ Maguire said, adding it was by destroyed by people driving in.
‘How did the USB get to that particular place?’ Robertson asked.
‘I lost it.’
Mr Robertson asked if he had done it deliberately.
‘No, no, I lost it. I must have dropped it when I got out of the car at the farm gate… I found it a couple of days later.’
When Mr Robertson later suggested ‘you were wanting that USB to go missing,’ Maguire insisted: ‘I did drop it accidentally. No.’
He was also grilled about instructions he made to destroy records in his Wagga Wagga office.
Robertson asked if part of the reason he tried to destroy his records was ‘to keep them away from this commission or any other authority who may wish to investigate your affairs’.
Maguire said it wasn’t the ‘overriding factor’.
‘I wanted records deleted of the electorate office, of paper files, of electronic equipment that would have to go back (to Parliament) and I was determined not to leave anything for the next incoming member .’
Asked about what he was referring to when he told an associate his iPad suffered an ‘unfortunate incident’ with a tractor, Maguire said: ‘I don’t know, I don’t recall.’
He said ‘I was just being stupid.
It’s a bit of a weird thing to say. But I said it’.
Berejiklian’s lawyer fumes over ‘private’ transcript
When the hearing opened on Friday Berejiklian”s lawyer erupted over ICAC having accidentally published a private transcript about their relationship online.
Commissioner Ruth McColl confirmed the ICAC wrongly published a transcript of a private hearing about Maguire and Berejiklian’s secret relationship on Thursday evening.
The transcript was online for about half an hour from 4.45pm and was viewed by members of the media.
‘On behalf of the Commission, I would like to apologise for that inadvertent uploading,’ Ms McColl said. The transcript is suppressed and an investigation will be launched into how it the mistake came about.
But Berejiklian’s lawyer Arthur Moses SC was ropeable.
Mr Moses, the former president of the NSW Bar Association, said an ‘error made by this commission’ had resulted in a ‘violation’ of his client’s ‘privacy and security’ and the commission should find out who downloaded the transcript.
The ICAC then moved forward with hearing evidence from Maguire – who made a series of admissions.
Gladys Berejiklian’s lawyer Arthur Moses SC erupted after the ICAC commissioner apologised for the accidental publication of a transcript of a private hearing that ‘touched upon’ Berejiklian and Daryl Maguire’s relationship
Berejiklian ‘didn’t want to know’ about Daryl’s dealings
Maguire also admitted today that Berejiklian ‘didn’t want to know’ about some of his dealings.
He said there was a ‘line’ in what information he would tell the Premier and claimed he would only share ‘general information’ with her about them.
Under cross-examination, Maguire admitted he tried to ‘shield’ Berejiklian from information that could ’cause her difficulties’ in private conversations.
The line of questioning related to how he hoped to make $1.5 million from a land deal at Badgerys Creek. He had raised a planning issue about it with the Premier.
The ICAC listened to a call with Berejiklian where Maguire tells her ‘the good news is William tells me we’ve done our deal.
‘So hopefully that’s about half of all that that’s gone now.’
Berejiklian replied: ‘That’s good. I don’t need to know about that bit’.
‘No you don’t, you do not,’ Maguire replied.
Counsel assisting ICAC Scott Robertson asked if he had told Berejiklian who ‘William’ was. Maguire said he couldn’t recall.
Maguire admitted he was ‘at least concerned’ questions might be raised at that point about the propriety of his involvement in a Badgerys Creek land sale.
Mr Robertson asked: ‘Do you agreed … that at least in part you sought to shield some information from Ms Berejiklian?
‘Yes,’ Maguire said.
The former MP said he shared information ‘in general terms’ with the Premier what he was up to and doing.
Robertson: ‘She was to some extent a sounding board to discuss the things you were involved in general terms at least?’
Robertson: ‘Was it also the case, as you understood it, from either this call or other communication with Ms Berejiklian there was particular bits of information that she didn’t want to know about your activities?’
Maguire: ‘Well, yes’.
Later Mr Robertson said: ‘There was a point you stopped giving the details because you were concerned that might cause her to have to take steps in relation to that matter?’
Maguire: ‘Well, I thought it would cause her difficulties. So, I limited the information that I gave her, yes.’
On again, off again
It comes as Maguire admitted on Thursday to being in an ‘on again, off again’ relationship with Berejiklian.
Earlier on Thursday, a late night call between the premier (pictured on Thursday) and her former boyfriend revealed they were planning a future together
Maguire said their relationship began sometime about ‘2015, 2016’ and ended in ‘August, September (of this year) … I can’t be clear’.
He confessed to discussing his ‘problems in life’ with Berejiklian, 50, including the prospect of a future spent together.
The inquiry has been shown a transcript of call where the couple appeared to be doing just that.
Mr Maguire was full of complaints as he spoke to the premier just before bedtime at 9.23pm on February 14, 2018.
‘I’m working bloody hard because (indecipherable) Garden has fallen through,’ he fumed, according to a document before the inquiry.
The call came months before Ms Berejiklian sacked Mr Maguire following a scandal over him trying to broker property deals, including for Chinese developer Country Garden.
In an apparent reference to him needing ‘somewhere to go’ after state politics, Mr Maguire told the premier ‘I can’t not go to nothing’.
He added there was ‘no future’ for him in government.
The premier said: ‘Hokis … I need you to process in your head what you want to do right and I also need to come to a realisation that it’s not got anything to do with me (…).’
Mr Maguire said: ‘Correct, correct … Absolutely nothing.’
Ms Berejiklian said: ‘But that’s a bigger picture issue I need to figure out.
Mr Maguire replied: ‘I just got to sort out you know with these kids and stuff what’s going to happen that’s all I’m worried about.’
The premier said she was trying to give Mr Maguire ‘space’, adding she was trying to ‘support you, not stress you’.
‘I’m just trying to process things in my own head that’s all. You’ve got think about your stuff and I’ve got to think about my stuff that’s all,’ she said.
Daryl Maguire admitted he had an ‘on again, off again’ love affair with Ms Berejiklian which began sometime about ‘2015, 2016’ and ended in ‘August, September (of this year) … I can’t be clear’
Maguire said: ‘Hmm well I am working on that Gladys. I’m going to bed see ya later.’
ICAC on Thursday attempted to pin down what the Liberal leader knew about Mr Maguire’s financial dealings, including a sale of land at Badgerys Creek, near the site of Sydney’s under-construction second airport.
The inquiry has heard then-Wagga Wagga MP Mr Maguire hoped to make up to $1.5million in the sale of land – which was owned by racing heiress Louise Waterhouse.
He could therefore clear his debts before retiring from Parliament and embarking on a new life, possibly with the premier.
In sensational evidence, Mr Maguire this week admitted ‘monetising’ his parliamentary position as an MP, parliamentary secretary and chair of the ‘friends of the Asia-Pacific’ committee.
He confessed to running a cash-for-visa scheme from his office and being a secret director of a company, G8way International. G8way ‘ultimately’ sought to sell access to the highest levels of government.
On Monday, the premier admitted being in a five-year ‘close personal relationship’ with Mr Maguire – and candidly denied wrongdoing. ‘I stuffed up in my personal life,’ she said
An exhibit tendered before ICAC appeared to show how Mr Maguire took Ms Berejiklian for a feed at a pub in Wagga Wagga and to a private dinner party with G8way International boss Phil Elliott and his partner Karen Barbey.
Ms Barbey was questioned by investigators at Wagga Wagga Police Station on July 9, 2019.
She told them Mr Maguire was a friend who she and her partner often enjoyed ‘quite a bit’ of red wine with.
Ms Barbey said she met the premier on multiple occasions, including at Mr Maguire’s home.
‘We had dinner at night as well and I’m trying to think. And we went to Romano’s for dinner one night,’ she said in the interview.
She confirmed to officers that four people – herself, Mr Elliott, Mr Maguire and Ms Berejiklian – attended Romano’s, a pub in Wagga Wagga.
At Mr Maguire’s house for dinner, there were ‘some other security’ people in attendance, Ms Barbey said.
Former MP Daryl Maguire was cross-examined about his relationship with the NSW premier at the Independent Commission Against Corruption (ICAC) on Thursday afternoon. Ms Berejiklian is pictured on Wednesday
The trip had not been disclosed.
On Monday, the premier admitted being in a five-year ‘close personal relationship’ with Mr Maguire – and candidly denied wrongdoing.
‘I stuffed up in my personal life,’ she said.
At one point during Thursday’s hearing, Mr Maguire was asked if his relationship with the premier continued to the present day.
‘Are you still (in a relationship?)’ Mr Robertson asked.
‘Not after this I wouldn’t be,’ he said, drolly.
In a text message from 2014, before Ms Berejiklian became premier, Mr Maguire told her that he had brokered the sale of a motel for $5.8million and that he would get a $5,000 fee
In a text message from 2014, before Ms Berejiklian became premier, Mr Maguire told her that he had brokered the sale of a motel for $5.8million and that he would get a $5,000 fee.
‘Hawkiss good news. One of my contacts sold a motel for 5.8 million I had put her in contact so I should make 5k,’ he wrote.
Hawkiss, or hokis, is an Armenian term of affection meaning ‘my soul’ or ‘my beloved’.
Ms Berejiklian replied, saying: ‘Congrats!!! Great news!!! Woohoo’.
Maguire will continue to give evidence on Friday.
Gladys Berejiklian and Daryl Maguire: A timeline
MARCH 2015: Ms Berejiklian and Mr Maguire begin a ‘close personal relationship’ around the time of the NSW election. Ms Berejiklian was the transport minister while Mr Maguire, a parliamentary secretary, was separated from his ex-wife.
APRIL 2, 2015: Ms Berejiklian appointed NSW treasurer after the coalition is re-elected.
JANUARY 23, 2017: Ms Berejiklian becomes NSW premier, replacing Mike Baird. Mr Maguire is retained as a parliamentary secretary in her government.
AUGUST 2017: Ms Berejiklian tells Mr Maguire she would like him to quit parliament at the 2019 election so the pair can go public with their relationship. Ms Berejiklian says Mr Maguire also wanted that.
SEPTEMBER 7, 2017: Ms Berejiklian is heard in a telephone intercept saying she ‘didn’t need to know about that bit’ as Mr Maguire discusses his financial interests at Badgerys Creek Airport, and a land deal which would net him a large windfall. A day earlier, Mr Maguire texted Ms Berejiklian that ‘we clinched the land deal’.
NOVEMBER 2017: Louise Waterhouse, a western Sydney landowner, twice emailed Ms Berejiklian after being given her private address by Mr Maguire. She requested help with rezoning changes around Badgerys Creek Airport that would benefit a parcel of her land. Ms Berejiklian did not respond.
JULY 13, 2018: Mr Maguire appears before ICAC, with evidence heard that he sought payments to help broker deals for property developers.
AUGUST 3, 2018: Mr Maguire resigns from the Berejiklian government at the behest of Ms Berejiklian and other frontbenchers, with Ms Berejiklian saying she is ‘pleased’ and ‘relieved’ but privately she remains in contact with Mr Maguire.
MARCH 23, 2019: The coalition retains government in the 2019 NSW election.
SEPTEMBER 13, 2020: Ms Berejiklian cuts off all contact with Mr Maguire and agrees to support an ICAC inquiry into his business interests.
OCTOBER 12, 2020: Ms Berejiklian’s relationship with Mr Maguire is revealed at ICAC.