Hunter Biden’s former business partner releases audio of ‘Biden family friend imploring him not to go public’ – and claims Joe’s brother chuckled and said ‘plausible deniability’ allows the family to ‘get away with it’
- Tony Bobulinski, who was in business with Hunter Biden, was on Fox on Tuesday
- Bobulinski claims that Joe Biden knew about Hunter’s business affairs
- Joe has always insisted that he did not know what his son was up to
- Bobulinski provided audio of an October 18 call with one of their partners
- Rob Walker warns him: ‘Tony, you’re just going to bury all of us, man’
- Bobulinski on Tuesday said he had met Joe twice, not once as previously said
- Bobulinski also said Jim Biden – Joe’s brother – laughed off Bobulinski’s concern
- When Bobulinski asked how they could do it in 2017, Jim reportedly replied: ‘Plausible deniability’
- The Navy lieutenant said Joe was ‘the big guy’ in emails
- Bobulinski said he came forwards in anger at being described as a Russian pawn
A former Navy lieutenant who spent six months in 2017 in business with Hunter Biden, trying unsuccessfully to get a joint venture with a Chinese firm off the ground, has made public an audio recording from earlier this month, which he claims was a Biden associate trying to silence him.
Tony Bobulinski appeared on Tucker Carlson’s Fox News show on Tuesday night and an audio was played of Rob Walker – whose wife works for Jill Biden – allegedly warning Bobulinski not to go public with the information.
‘If he doesn’t come out on record I am providing the facts,’ Bobulinski told Walker.
‘You’re just going to bury all of us, man,’ Walker, described on the show as a Biden family representative, allegedly replied in the October 18 conversation.
During the interview, Bobulinski also claimed that in 2017, he asked Joe Biden’s brother Jim – who was part of their business consortium – how he could ‘get away with’ all their business dealings.
Bobulinski claimed that Jim replied: ‘Plausible deniability.’
Bobulinski further claimed during the interview that he had met Joe twice – both times in Los Angeles, on the night of May 2, 2017, and the morning of May 3, 2017.
Bobulinski previously said he had only met Joe once – on the night of May 2.
Tony Bobulinski spoke to Tucker Carlson on Tuesday night in an interview from Los Angeles
Joe Biden, pictured with his son Hunter in 2009, says he was unaware of Hunter’s businesses
Bobulinski has since early October been pushing the story of his time in business with Hunter, 50, and his claims that Joe was involved in the attempts to make deals with their Chinese partners.
Bobulinski and Hunter formed a company in 2017, specializing in infrastructure investment. No deals appear to have been completed, and the firm folded in 2018.
Joe had left the White House and was a private citizen at the time.
Nevertheless, he has insisted he and his son never discussed business – which Bobulinski claims is untrue.
Tucker Carlson devoted the full hour of his show on Tuesday to the interview with Bobulinski
‘That’s a blatant lie when he states that,’ Bobulinski told Carlson.
‘It’s a blatant lie.’
Bobulinski held a press conference ahead of the final presidential debate last week, but did not take questions.
‘It was made clear to me that Joe Biden’s involvement was not to be made in writing, but only face to face.’
Bobulinski is listed as one of the recipients of a May 13, 2017, email detailing their business deal, and he claims that ‘the big guy’ mentioned is a reference to Joe, whom he claims Hunter regularly asked for business advice.
Joe has always insisted he was not involved in Hunter’s numerous business ventures.
On Friday Bobulinski reportedly spoke to the FBI and handed over three cell phones which he said contained ‘evidence’. He did not say of what.
‘Obviously the world is aware that I attended the debate last Thursday and in that debate, he made a specific statement around questions around us from the president and I’ll be honest with you, I almost stood up and screamed a liar and walked out because I was shocked that after four days that they prepped for this at the Biden family is taking that position to the world,’ Bobulinski told Carlson.
Two meetings with Joe Biden
Bobulinski, in Tuesday night’s interview, told in additional detail how he had allegedly met Joe in Los Angeles.
‘I first met with Hunter Biden and Jim Biden, and just had a light discussion where they briefed me that my dad’s on the way, and we won’t go into too much detail on the business front, but we will spend time talking at a high level about you, your background, the Biden family and then he’s got to get some rest because he is speaking at the conference in the morning,’ Bobulinaki said.
Joe was coming to Los Angeles to speak at the Milken Conference and discuss his ‘moonshot’ efforts to find a cure for cancer.
Asked by Carlson why Joe would meet him, Bobulinski emphasized that Hunter and Jim wanted him to meet Joe – it was not Bobulinski wanting to meet the former vice president.
‘They were sort of wining and dining me and presenting the strength of the Biden family to get me more engaged and taking on the CEO role and develop it both in the United States and around the world in partnership,’ he told Carlson.
‘And as you can imagine, I’ve been asked by a hundred people over the past month why would you be meeting with Joe Biden, and sort of turn the question around to people that ask me, why that 10:38 on the night of May 2nd would Joe Biden take time out of his schedule to sit down with me in a dark bar at the Beverly Hilton’s position – behind a column so people couldn’t see us – to have a discussion about his family and my family?’
Bobulinski was in business with Hunter, and the pair tried to set up Chinese investments
Bobulinski, pictured at a press conference ahead of Thursday’s debate, spoke on Tuesday
In Bobulinski’s telling, when Joe arrived with his security detail, Bobulinski ‘stood up out of respect to shake his hand.’
He continued: ‘And Hunter introduced me as: “this is Tony, the individual I told you about that’s helping us with the business we are working on in the Chinese.”‘
The group sat down.
Asked what they discussed, Bobulinski said that Jim ordered some food; they all ordered drinks; and Joe asked Bobulinski about his background and family.
‘He thanked me for my service, I’m obviously very proud of that,’ Bobulinski said.
‘Then he walked through his family, obviously some of the tragedies they’ve dealt with, his political career on a high level.
‘We didn’t go into too much detail on business because prior to Joe showing up, Hunter and Jim had approached me and said this is a high-level discussion meeting.
‘So it’s not like I was drilling down with Joe about details.’
Bobulinski told Carlson that, the following day, he had a second meeting with Joe.
‘I met with Joe Biden the morning of May 3rd at that conference, and then was taken backstage after Joe had spoken,’ he recalled.
‘We joked around for 10 minutes and then I walked out to his car, I think they referenced he was off to see lieutenant governor.’
Bobulinski said that, when they spoke, Joe ‘just asked how I did and what I thought of the speech.’
Bobulinski said: ‘I said great job in the speech, and obviously it’s a very serious thing we should all be working together to solve. I lost a sister-in-law to cancer.
‘And he just sort of asked me to keep an eye on his son and his brother.’
When Carlson asked what he meant, Bobulinski replied: ‘I think he was conscious of things and I can’t speak for him.’
Joe has never denied meeting Bobulinski, but neither has he explained the circumstances.
Bobulinski insisted he was telling his story because the American public needed to know
After Bobiulinski said goodbye to Joe on May 3, he went to meet Jim at the Peninsula Hotel in Los Angeles, he said.
Jim Biden, seven years younger than Joe, spent two hours discussing the family’s story, and their careers.
Bobulinski told Carlson: ‘I know Joe decided not to run in 2016, but what if he ran in the future – aren’t they taking political risk or headline risk?
‘And I remember looking at Jim Biden and saying: “how are you guys getting away with this? Aren’t you concerned?”
‘And he looked at me and he laughed a little bit and said: “plausible deniability”.
‘He said it directly to me at the cabana at the Peninsula Hotel, after an hour and a half or two-hour meeting, with me asking out of concern how are you guys doing this, aren’t you concerned you will put your future presidential campaign at risk, the Chinese, the stuff you guys have been doing already in 2015 and 2016 around the world.
‘And I can almost picture his face where he sort of chuckles and says plausible deniability.’
Joe Biden, pictured with his younger brother Jim, a businessman, in 2008
Jim Biden (pictured with wife Sara) formed a company with his nephew Hunter to work on infrastructure
Bobulinski told Carlson that he felt compelled to come forward following Joe’s repeated insistence that he had no involvement in Hunter and Jim’s businesses.
Bobulinski’s account of his dealings with Hunter, and his allegations about Joe was provided to the Wall Street Journal in late October.
The Journal began investigating the documents Bobulinski provided, and concluded, in a report published on the night of the debate, October 22, that there was no evidence Joe had any role in their company.
The New York Post had by that point published their own story involving Hunter’s emails, after Rudy Giuliani – Donald Trump’s lawyer – gave the paper a laptop he claimed belonged to Hunter.
The first story, on October 14, claimed that Hunter leveraged his father’s name to secure business deals in Ukraine. It did not mention Bobulinski’s name.
The following day, October 15, the Post published a second story, marking the first time Bobulinski’s name was mentioned.
The Post story looked at Bobulinski’s business dealings with Hunter, his uncle Jim and two other men – James Gilliar, a long-time friend of Bobulinski’s, and Rob Walker, a friend of the Bidens.
Walker’s wife Betsy is Jill Biden’s personal assistant.
Bobulinski said that, when people started speculating that he was some sort of Russian pawn, being played to discredit the Bidens so close to the election, he felt compelled to clear his name and publicly tell all he knew.
‘They brought in Russian disinformation and basically associated my name with that, which is absolutely disgusting to me and I had to go on the record,’ Bobulinski told Carlson.
‘We went through three years of every day Russia, Russia, Russia. It’s just absurd. The Cold War is over.’
‘Bury us all’
Bobulinski concluded that he had to make his case public, and clear his name.
Carlson said: ‘The Biden family knew that you were going public with this and you spoke to Rob Walker about it, the self-described Biden family representative. What was his response when you let him know that you were going public with this?’
Bobulinski replied: ‘Trying to coach me, trying to say we don’t want to do that, we don’t want press trucks out in front of our house and we have to move because it’s my job and all of that.
‘I’m not trying to cause any harm to anyone in this situation, let alone Rob Walker and his family, but basically, his position was if you go on record, you will bury all of us.’
Carlson broadcast the audio of Walker saying ‘bury all of us’, which had been recorded on October 18.
Walker warns him: ‘Tony, you’re just going to bury all of us, man.’
Rob Walker, one of the five in the business – Hunter and Jim, Bobulinski and James Gilliar
How it all ended
Bobulinski on Tuesday night provided an extremely complicated story as to how his business dealings with Hunter and Jim, Walker and Gilliar came to an end.
He said that the Chinese partners in the deal promised $10 million – $5 million as their capital funding, and $5 million as a loan to the Bidens.
But as the summer of 2017 dragged on, the money was not forthcoming, and the Chinese company began speaking to Russian investors – a development which worried Bobulinski, as he felt they would miss out to the Russians.
‘I did reach out to Hunter Biden in October 2017 asking him if they haven’t funded the $10 million to have you done something that I am no,’ he said, suggesting that Hunter Biden received money but used it for other purposes.
No evidence was provided of the Chinese ever paying money in to the company, and it was wound up officially in 2018.
What it means
Bobulinski on Tuesday night repeatedly stressed that he was ‘irrelevant’ in the story; that he had not wanted to appear on television, but that he felt the story needed to be told.
Asked what he thought this all meant, Bobulinski replied: ‘I think they are compromised.
‘I just don’t see, given the history here, and the facts, how Joe can’t be influenced in some manner based on the history that they have with stuff like that.’
Bobulinski said he had received death threats, and had a team of former Navy Seals stationed outside his family’s house.
Hunter Biden, left, has long been known for his failed business deals. He is pictured with his father
Joe Biden insists that he was never aware of what Hunter was doing in business
Hunter, pictured with his father in 2016, was exploring business deals around the world
Trump has seized upon the emails from Bobulinski, and others from a laptop that Hunter reportedly took to be repaired, as supposed evidence of the Biden family’s corruption.
Joe during Thursday night’s debate vehemently denied having ever taken any money from foreign governments.
The Biden campaign insists that Trump is attempting to divert attention away from his own shortcomings, and Trump critics have suggested that it is part of a Russian-orchestrated disinformation plot.
On Sunday night, in a 60 Minutes interview, Biden spoke out about the laptop scandal and the emails that have been found detailing plans for business ventures involving China and Ukraine.
Joe said he believed that Giuliani, who has touted the laptop around various media outlets seeking publicity, was being used by Russia.
‘From what I’ve read and know, the intelligence community warned the president that Giuliani was being fed disinformation from the Russians,’ Biden said.
‘And we also know that Putin is trying very hard to spread disinformation about Joe Biden.
‘And so when you put the combination of Russia, Giuliani, the president, together – it’s just what it is.
‘It’s a smear campaign because he has nothing he wants to talk about. What is he running on? What is he running on?’